You both are likely incorrect, the answer lies in the middle rather than the extremes

I think a lot of the people pro-llm are already in the middle. It's the naysays that are sticking to a strict definition of "vibe coding" as if it's random people typing in "make me $app but make no bugs" and getting a 100% working $app with no bugs. You have the gastown folks trying to do that, but nobody serious putting in good work with llm agents is "vibe coding" in that way.

> as if it's random people typing in "make me $app but make no bugs" and getting a 100% working $app with no bugs

Yes, that's literally how LLMs are sold to management.

This is not just software development wisdom, it's life wisdom.